tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-741750605858169835.post5946423822088302277..comments2024-01-24T14:53:02.919+00:00Comments on Stephen Colebourne's blog: Java SE 7 and 8 JSRs publishedStephen Colebournehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01454237967846880639noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-741750605858169835.post-44796736010285581932010-11-19T11:18:26.000+00:002010-11-19T11:18:26.000+00:00Hi Stephen,
considering recent Oracle's actio...Hi Stephen,<br /><br />considering recent Oracle's actions and people like Bob Lee declining to do further work for Oracle what is the status of JSR-310?<br /><br />Do we have to expect a "sudden" change of leadership or even the closure of the project? :-)<br /><br />I guess most people would fully understand it, if your motivation to work on JSR-310 decreased in the last few weeks.stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-741750605858169835.post-39467292145969455622010-11-17T18:42:28.000+00:002010-11-17T18:42:28.000+00:00On the JSR page, there is a link to volunteer to b...On the JSR page, there is a link to volunteer to be on the committee (see http://jcp.org/en/jsr/egnom?id=336) . Perhaps someone like Apache should join the EC and make some changes.<br /><br />I still believe TCK and RI should be separated from a JSR. Have a "test spec" with all necessary test cases define instead of an actual implementation of anything. Then anyone can write an RI and/or TCK, avoiding any restrictions presently in play. <br /><br />At the very least, maybe change any reference from Oracle to the JCP organization.<br /><br />I'm interested how the items on platform restrictions relates to the EE Profiles (Web, etc).EricBnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-741750605858169835.post-52402366977677841742010-11-17T18:24:29.000+00:002010-11-17T18:24:29.000+00:00Well at least you didn't go snooping through a...Well at least you didn't go snooping through anyone's LinkedIn profiles for this post. <br /><br />But, seriously, thank you for the analysis. It is very useful. I think we're in for it, but, selfishly, I just want Java 7 released. I'm sick of the struggle.Tim O'Brienhttp://www.discursive.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-741750605858169835.post-4600408221231915532010-11-17T18:19:40.000+00:002010-11-17T18:19:40.000+00:00About your last point: the embedded simply refers ...About your last point: the embedded simply refers to "Java SE for Embedded".Anthonynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-741750605858169835.post-10342160728478303332010-11-17T11:02:06.000+00:002010-11-17T11:02:06.000+00:00Oracle is trying to becoming the next Apple, with ...Oracle is trying to becoming the next Apple, with is walled garden approach. Which in my opinion is bad for Java as a platform. Java's popularity and usefulness as a platform today is only because of open-source software, including from Apache, Spring and RedHat. None of the applications I have created, used or seen, was based on pure Java SDK. It just can't be.<br /><br />Oracle's tight-grip over the Java platform, I fear, might destroy the community and give rise to other platform's. Sadly, there is none other cross-environment platform available. <br /><br />I am not a legal guy, but is it possible to fork a new platform using the same syntax (thus existing code being compatible) but with a total different VM which would compile to a different binary.<br /><br />Sad to see some lawyers decide the fate of Java :(Sandeep Guptahttp://blog.sangupta.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-741750605858169835.post-57196490864943602342010-11-17T08:27:08.000+00:002010-11-17T08:27:08.000+00:00Alkali, I was part of the ISO/ANSI standardization...Alkali, I was part of the ISO/ANSI standardization process for C++ in the 90s, and it was slooooow. It may be better now, but I really don't think we should go there. Besides, in ISO only countries can vote, and in ANSI only companies and individuals with a presence in the US (if I remember correctly). And ECMA is even worse, where only big elephant companies can play. The JCP was good in this respect, since it allowed anyone to participate, in theory. Sure, to get voting right in the EC's would need lots of votes from JCP members, but is possible for individuals, as we all know.<br /><br />I actually don't think we need the JCP anymore. Let Oracle, Apple and IBM do thier own dance with Java SE (JVM and core libs) and let everything else be done the Apache way. Much faster, much more democratic, and we don't need that monolithic fixed Java EE stack anymore anyway. Let it die! Open source tech runs circles around that dinosaur machinery.Mats Henricsonnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-741750605858169835.post-37957996170908793452010-11-17T07:48:47.000+00:002010-11-17T07:48:47.000+00:00We should have a vendor-neutral standards body to ...We should have a vendor-neutral standards body to design Java standards and TCKs, not unlike the W3C/ISO.Alkalinoreply@blogger.com