tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-741750605858169835.post8900970106748344191..comments2024-01-24T14:53:02.919+00:00Comments on Stephen Colebourne's blog: ASF ready to leave JCPStephen Colebournehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01454237967846880639noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-741750605858169835.post-40650155952850988112010-11-10T16:38:52.000+00:002010-11-10T16:38:52.000+00:00I don't understand why Apache would give up wh...I don't understand why Apache would give up what leverage it has by quitting the JCP. I guess maybe virtually all the Harmony people are IBM'ers who are finally giving up and switching to OpenJDK.Andy Trippnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-741750605858169835.post-91224810265236923012010-11-10T16:08:55.000+00:002010-11-10T16:08:55.000+00:00milkmonitor: It's annoying how many years this...milkmonitor: It's annoying how many years this has gone on, but that was a cause of Sun stalling not Apache delaying. Now Oracle are in charge they're going about it with a more focused attitude. After some ingestion time, the stalling stopped and an answer provided. <br /><br />Things can finally move on, and if it means the specs are only implemented in GPL/CDDL and companies have to start paying Oracle more money, so be it.Henhttp://blog.generationjava.com/noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-741750605858169835.post-74967601982808401812010-11-10T11:58:00.000+00:002010-11-10T11:58:00.000+00:00"Comment authentication failed!"
*sigh*..."Comment authentication failed!"<br /><br />*sigh*stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-741750605858169835.post-38778132321234563422010-11-10T10:45:07.000+00:002010-11-10T10:45:07.000+00:00@212.251.99.169
I don’t know what the legal ins a...@212.251.99.169 <br />I don’t know what the legal ins and outs of the field of use restriction clause are, but I assume it is fairly hard to resolve, since Sun weren’t able to do so over several years, and Oracle hasn’t been able to in the few months it has had either. Given that I wouldn’t simply assume that it could wave a magic wand and make the problem go away.<br /><br />Apache can, however. It could simply say OK, we don’t think this right but we’ll certify Harmony under said restriction. Or it could say “Ok, we don’t think this right, so we’ll continue to develop Harmony uncertified.” Or better (way better) it could stick Harmony in the attic and follow IBMs lead and go and join OpenJDK. <br /><br />Apache has made its point. Its actions are its alone. It has been willing to hold the entire Java world to ransom because it doesn’t feel that a license it was offered was acceptable. Me, I don’t think the ironically named Harmony is worth that. Other open source implementations of Java seem to manage just fine - IcedTea , OpenJDK itself.milkmonitornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-741750605858169835.post-18328784496199527562010-11-10T10:11:35.000+00:002010-11-10T10:11:35.000+00:00@milkmonitor: The «reckless, childish, unbelievab...@milkmonitor: The «reckless, childish, unbelievably irresponsible behaviour» is an Oracle's characteristic, alone.<br /><br />In what grounds did Oracle denied the promissed TCK to a fully conformant java impl, Harmony?<br /><br />It was an absurd and unfair deliberate act on behalf of Oracle.<br /><br />And it is my belief that such shamefull acts must be answered - or else, the perpetrator would keep on doing more shameful acts like this.<br /><br />In a word, it is that simple: Justice.Anonymoushttp://ankostis.blogspot.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-741750605858169835.post-31681326930371071152010-11-10T09:23:23.000+00:002010-11-10T09:23:23.000+00:00Christ Apache, will you please grow up. I can adm...Christ Apache, will you please grow up. I can admire your idealism, and to some extent I agree with you, but I am pretty tired of this reckless, childish, unbelievably irresponsible behaviour. You may have every right to feel aggrieved, but you have blocked the JCP for years, prevented Java 7 from getting shipped, and have spread more FUD than Microsoft could ever have managed. The damage you are doing to Java is catastrophic – way, way worse than .NET, way, way worse than RoR,. <br /><br />Don’t for one second think that the pathetic turn-out from the JCP gives you some sort of mandate to trash the work of the millions of people who work with Java every day.<br /><br />If you won’t back down then please take your ball and go home; lets hope the majority of your Java projects will find new homes outside of the foundation.milkmonitornoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-741750605858169835.post-71454469535905069782010-11-10T01:02:55.000+00:002010-11-10T01:02:55.000+00:00118.26.214.124, The ASF wants to certify Apache Ha...118.26.214.124, The ASF wants to certify Apache Harmony as a compliant implementation of Java SE. Were Google to then take the code and use it, any alteration by Google would result in them needing to have their own TCK - at cost. Thus, discussing Google here is not key to the TCK question for Apache.Stephen Colebournenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-741750605858169835.post-46494759048488114902010-11-09T23:50:57.000+00:002010-11-09T23:50:57.000+00:00@188.26.214.124: No, it is not about "forking...@188.26.214.124: No, it is not about "forking". Apache wants to write their own tested and certified Java implementation, so if something runs on the Oracle Java, but not on Harmony Java it is certainly considered a bug.<br /><br />This has not much to do with Google.stevenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-741750605858169835.post-65843096023809675802010-11-09T18:57:17.000+00:002010-11-09T18:57:17.000+00:00It is sad it has come to this. The Java platform i...It is sad it has come to this. The Java platform is losing credibility fast, and the really scary thing is I do not have any indication Oracle is worried about this.Jaapnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-741750605858169835.post-85846407665285715232010-11-09T17:57:46.000+00:002010-11-09T17:57:46.000+00:00I understand that ASF wants help from other EC mem...I understand that ASF wants help from other EC members to block the JSR for Java 7, unless they obtain a TCK, which would allow them to release Apache Harmony under an open license, which would legally allow anyone (like Google for example) to fork Java and build virtual machines using part of Harmony code. Please correct me if I don't understand correctly.<br /><br />In my opinion, it would be bad for industry and frustrating for developers that Java 7 to be again delayed. And would be bad to have Java code compiled once for a compliant JVM and once for whatever other Harmony fork.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com